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07/21/08

Permalink 02:35:03 pm, Categories: The Tube, The Net

Anybody want to buy a slightly used* TiVo?

It's been a good four years or more since we first fell in love with the TiVo. It's Rob and Katie's fault. They showed it to us upon our first visit to their apartment. We immediately (the following weekend, if I recall correctly) ran out to get our own. Everything about the device was revolutionary: the interface, the performance, the ease of use, and the ability to follow your favorite shows automatically when they changed dates or times without your knowledge. It was the rare device that did exactly what it claimed it would do. It changed the way we watched television.

But that was four years ago. A lifetime in technological terms.

A couple of weeks ago, a salesperson from AT&T stopped by, offering to upgrade us to their new U-Verse fiber optic system. This would transfer our existing phone and DSL service to a digital phone and wireless gateway-based system, as well as offer us a wealth of digital television options. Plus, they'd give us a free month of service, and a hundred bucks. "Um..." I said, "Let me think about it a sec."

I've been resisting the upgrade of our standard analog cable hookup for a long time. Our brief experience with a cable box in Fishkill did not go well. Often, planned VCR recordings would fail because the box was tuned to the wrong channel, or turned off entirely. The TiVo has the ability to interface with a cable box, but only through a IR-based system, one that isn't 100% error free. I wasn't excited about adding an extra technological layer to our system. Still, if we ever plan on upgrading to an HDTV setup, we'll need digital cable, and Comcast just keeps raising the price of analog while removing programming from the analog lineup (last I checked, $56 a month for "extended basic"). Switching to the AT&T bundle would save us about $40 a month.

Oh, and the new system comes with a DVR. I didn't really pay attention to the specs, because I intended to continue to use the TiVo though the cable box, but in the back of my mind I heard the words "...can record four programs at once." Hmmm... interesting, I thought. We don't really need a DVR, but I guess it will be worth wading through the clunky UI as a backup to our VCR setup. I told the sales guy okay, and we set up an install date.

We got the system this past Friday. It took longer to get up and running than anybody expected, so I didn't really have a chance to fiddle with things until Saturday. Still, the TV worked, our standard Friday night recordings were being picked up by the new DVR (since the TiVo was technically blind at that point) and both of my studio computers could access the internet (though not each other, more on that in a sec), so I was pretty happy to start with.

Then I tried setting up the TiVo. Hookup cable box output to TiVo input, check. Rerun TiVo setup, uh-huh. Zip Code stays the same... Do I have cable, or satellite? Um... neither? Okay, let's try cable. Wait for it to call home... nope, the only cable option is Comcast. Okay, back up, and choose satellite. Wait for it to call home again... DirecTV or Dish Network? No, I have U-Verse now, TiVo. Where is that?

The TiVo suggested that I go to the support forums online. The official FAQs didn't help a whole lot, but a Google search soon located some other forums that addressed what I needed. See? All we have to do is call TiVo, and they'll give us a zip code that DOES include the U-Verse info... but it's not 100% correct. Oh, I can request that they update their lineup on the TiVo website, but that takes 2-3 weeks. What's this? People can't seem to get the IR blaster to change the channels on the U-Verse box. What? Need to buy a third party IR cable? Huh? Don't point it at the IR port on the cable box, but about three inches to the left of it? And remove the front cover first? What? The best results were found by holding the IR emitter two inches above the box, over the left-hand corner, and rotating it 45 degrees? Oh, and the U-Verse box has a habit of falling asleep when it's idle, requiring user input to return to programming, so you often end up with a recording in the TiVo marked "Doctor Who" that's just an hour's worth of a screen saying "Press OK to continue?"

My head started to swim. This wasn't going to work. Even if I could get MacGuyver some sort of setup that worked most of the time, there would always be that doubt in the back of my mind that something wouldn't record because the two boxes wouldn't communicate properly. We're going to have to cancel the U-Verse. We certainly can't abandon the TiVo! Our TiVo.

Or could we? After all, the U-Verse included a DVR, one that, while different, wasn't all that bad. What was I trying to do? Get my four-year-old box to interface with the brand new unit so I could get it to do exactly what the new box was capable of doing on its own. And the new DVR can record four shows at once. No more priority lists. No more VCR backup. No more needing to watch anything live ever again. Plus, it has video on demand, picture in picture channel surfing, and the ability to browse menus while the video continues in the background.

It slowly dawned on us (it took me longer than Stef). This was okay. We'd gotten our money's worth out of our TiVo. It was time to move on. Then we checked eBay. 80-hour Series 2 units with lifetime subscriptions are still going for several hundred dollars. Well, that settles it.

So, nearly all of our season passes have been migrated over to the new DVR. The TiVo's still connected, as there are a few more shows in there that we'd like to watch, but it's not set up to record anything anytime soon. Actually, it thinks it's attached to a DirectTV system and that it's able to change channels and everything. I just couldn't bring myself to tell it the truth.

This isn't to say that everything is peaches and cream with the U-Verse system. My two studio computers, which used to be hard-wired to a Linksys router in the old DSL setup, are now connected to the wireless gateway in the other room via USB wireless antennas. I'm still fiddling with the antenna positions, and I do occasionally lose the connection. My shared folders, which used to be visible between the two computers, are now missing as well. From what I can gather, it's likely a firewall issue, but I haven't had the guts to dive into both the Norton and Windows firewall settings, armed with port numbers and IP address ranges, to make it all work. Not sure what I'm going to do on that front quite yet. Do I need to call the Nerd Herd?

On the whole, though, we're pretty happy with our upgrade. Plus, since we get the first month free, we have the super-deluxe package, with, like, eight HBOs. Yesterday, I watched some classic Doctor Who on Demand. No, I'm not talking Christopher Eccleston. This is Patrick Troughton, Doctor Number Two, from 1968. Odd.

Goodbyes are so hard. Later, TiVo!

*Okay, moderately used** TiVo.

**Fine. Ridiculously overused TiVo. But well loved.

5 comments

Comment from: Rob [Visitor] Email
Noooooo! Say it ain't so!

Your story has echoes of my current though process. I have been loathing the crappy quality of today's analog cable service (which I am convinced they are purposely degrading to encourage people to buy digital service) and wondering if I could get much better by switching to digital. It would however mean giving up my current TiVo.

Did you consider upgrading at all? TiVo does have an HD recorder and support for the CableCard standard. Their User Interface is so much better than most of the cable boxes but that alone is not worth the $600 hardware plus the subscription fee. Not sure what else they really provide that is better.

I think TiVo definitely missed the boat in getting their software integrated onto all the set-top boxes. They could have been the standard for this stuff, instead they are just an expensive alternative.
07/21/08 @ 16:32
Comment from: Eric Michael Summerer [Member] Email · www.ericsummerer.com
When I heard about those nifty HD TiVos, I was indeed intrigued. The AT&T system, however, doesn't use the CableCard standard, and isn't compatible with Series 3 and up. The TiVo website says that Series 2 boxes are compatible with the U-Verse system, so I just assumed I'd be able to make it work and took the plunge. I knew we'd have to phase out the box at some point. I just wasn't planning on doing it this past weekend.

TiVo used to have a big advantage in the UI department, because the provider-supplied DVRs were absolute crap. They were clunky, limited, and lacking in many of the features that make TiVo so easy to use. This U-Verse interface, though, isn't bad at all, especially once we learn where the buttons are on the remote. It even has the 7-second rewind button that we use so much on TiVo. The only thing it doesn't do is automatically rewind a few seconds when you're fast-forwarding at high speeds. However, U-Verse has a 30-second forward button that lets you get through ads just as efficiently.

It pains me to say it, but I think you're right. With so many cable and satellite plans offering an included DVR that's getting closer and closer to TiVo's functionality, the incentive to pay more money for the name brand TiVo just isn't there anymore.
07/21/08 @ 19:28
Comment from: Marc [Visitor] Email · http://www.dancingfeats.com
Wow. I think I need to sit down.
07/23/08 @ 13:33
Comment from: Ben of the Azure Sea [Visitor] Email · http://azure-sea.blogspot.com
My parents are getting U-verse installed on Tuesday. What do I need to know? What size sword should I bring to duel the installer?
07/24/08 @ 23:28
Comment from: Eric Michael Summerer [Member] Email · www.ericsummerer.com
Ben, the U-Verse installers are fairly low on the heirarchy, and befrending them is probably better than outright aggression. A mid-sized broadsword should do it.

I can't really complain about U-verse at this point. I've solved my networking issues (firewall settings were the culprit), a call to tech support got Stef's laptop connected, and the phones seem to be working well. While we're still learning the new DVR interface (it's hard to overcome four years of TiVo-induced muscle memory), the functionality is comparable, if not better in some ways. The system gets a thumbs-up from me at this point.

What you should know: The U-Verse system is based around what they call their Residential Gateway. It's essentially a router that controlls all of the communications functions. The tech connects the wire from the street to this Gateway, and from there, the Gateway doles out signals to the televisions, the phone system, and the computers. Plus, it has a lot of blinky green lights on it. Know that any home networking that you had set up previously will likely change. I still think it's weird that my two desktop computers are wirelessly connected to the 'net now, but the alternative would have been a lot of drilling and wiring, and I'm not sure the installer would have done it had I asked. At any rate, you'll probably end up with some unused hardware from the previous setup, as well as the need to do some software tweaking. Depending on how techno-savvy your folks are, the TV system could take come getting used to. If they've had digital cable before, though, it should be easy.

Enjoy, and don't hurt the guy too much.
07/25/08 @ 09:32

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